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Jun 29, 2009
Avatar bobpaul 1 post

Topic: eBay Security Monitoring Prevents Sniping

It’s been almost 2 years and this is still a problem. Granted, I’ve never experienced it before today… ever.

But it seems quite ridiculous that JBidwatcher still fails to login because a CAPTCHA was presented. We really should be showing that CAPTCHA to the user and letting them respond, rather than barfing a confusing error and expecting the user to find the FAQ.

That said, it’s been a rare and minor problem for me. It only happened once (today) for some reason and, after reading this page, I closed JBidwatcher, logged in with Firefox and browsed around a bit, and within 20 minutes tried JBidwatcher again, it worked and fired off a successful snipe for me about 10 minutes later. Still, if some users are requiring up to a day to re-open JBidwatcher… really, we need to incept, display, and allow the user to respond to the CAPTCHA.

 
Oct 15, 2008
Avatar Dodgy Geezer 88 post(s)

Topic: Why eBay doesn't approve of sniping software...

“I believe the most important reason eBay doesn’t like sniping is that it keeps the price low. If they prevent sniping the price is driven up AND eBay gets more money because the item sells for more. They WANT the items to sell for as much as possible because they get a percentage of the sale price. Sellers don’t like sniping while buyers do…”

Vapor7 is right about sniping keeping the price low – I suspect, however, that ebay is not hugely worried about the actual price. They can always award themselves any percentage of the deal they like. It’s more that they need to maintain market share. That’s the key to vast profits. And maintaining market share means keeping a steady stream of both sellers and buyers. If either of these two segments are unhappy, bang goes the business model.

So long as sniping remains a rare-ish practice, the balance between seller happiness and buyer happiness is OK. I am sure that ebay is calculating likely losses and gains from changing the rules all the time, and if sniping becomes common is more likely to move against it…

P.S. – Reading E-bay, I notice a contradiction in the advice they provide. Their advice for winning auctions boils down to:

1 – immediately bid as much as you can afford.
2 – check the item regularly to see if you have been outbid
3 – if you have been, bid a higher amount.

Can anyone else see a mismatch between Nos 1 and 3 above, which sniping would alleviate?

 
Sep 6, 2008
Avatar a-j 1 post

Topic: Why eBay doesn't approve of sniping software...

There is another reason why eBay might like to discourage sniping – many people buy from eBay, rather than from other internet sites, because it’s FUN.

When I had more time I would go along to antique and property auctions just to watch – although on eBay you can’t see someone’s face when they’ve just been pushed above their limit and can’t decide whether to go that bit higher, you still can get a thrill following the bidding during the course of an auction. If everyone sniped, that would go.

(The newish eBay “bidder anonymity” policy also takes some of the fun away, but I can see why they did it.)

Mind you, winning the auction with a well-timed snipe using JBidWatcher can be fun too:-)

 
Jul 19, 2008
Avatar jcro 2 post(s)

Topic: Why eBay doesn't approve of sniping software...

If they really didn’t like sniping, they would change the rules, say to extend the bidding for two minutes beyond the time of last bid … the classic going…going…gone auction scenario.

Perhaps the anti-social connotations of the word ‘sniping’ lend a kind of anarchistic feel to the process, and, as attractive as that may be to some, it will repel others. In reality, a bid sniper is simply a bidder who has a definite idea of what price he is willing pay for an item, and who does not wish to share that fact with other potential buyers …. not too dissimilar to a sealed envelope bidding process. If one has an ethical problem with sealed envelope bidding, please step forward …. I have yet to meet a soul with ethical (not practical) objections to sealed bids. Yet I hear both buyers and sellers on Ebay whining on and on about those lousy snipers.

So I think it’s the name. Snipe. Sounds like it should be illegal. But what’s a good substitute name or acronym for a Big Last Second Offer Based on the Maximum Price I am Willing to Pay. BLSOBMPIWP is probably a bad choice.

 
Jul 2, 2008
Avatar Vapor7 1 post

Topic: Why eBay doesn't approve of sniping software...

I believe the most important reason eBay doesn’t like sniping is that it keeps the price low. If they prevent sniping the price is driven up AND eBay gets more money because the item sells for more. They WANT the items to sell for as much as possible because they get a percentage of the sale price. Sellers don’t like sniping while buyers do.

 
May 18, 2008
Avatar lego 1 post

Topic: Not Logging In..

helo everyone. previously I’m satisfied enough with JBidwatcher 1.0.2 for windows. Now I’m switching to Mac 10.3.9 but I cannot login. and if i see on my console, the error is similar with above:
Mon May 19 01:08:58 WIT 2008: Couldn’t sign in!
java.io.IOException at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(HttpURLConnection.java:602) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsURLConnectionImpl.getIn…(DashoA12275) at Http.receiveData(Unknown Source) at Http.receivePage(Unknown Source) at ebayServer.getSignInCookie(Unknown Source) at ebayServer.getSignInCookie(Unknown Source) at ebayServer.getNecessaryCookie(Unknown Source) at ebayServer.messageAction(Unknown Source) at PlainMessageQueue.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:552)
Caused by: java.net.UnknownHostException: isa-server at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(PlainSocketImpl.java:153) at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:452) at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:402) at java.net.Socket.<init>(Socket.java:309) at java.net.Socket.<init>(Socket.java:124) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient$2.run(DashoA12275) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.doConnect(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(HttpClient.java:402) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(HttpClient.java:618) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.<init>(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.a(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.a(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.a(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.AbstractDelegateHttpsURLConn…(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.AbstractDelegateHttpsURLConn…(DashoA12275) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(HttpURLConnection.java:626) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getHeaderFi…(HttpURLConnection.java:1504) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsURLConnectionImpl.getHe…(DashoA12275) at CookieJar.getAllCookiesFromPage(Unknown Source) at CookieJar.getAllCookiesFromPage(Unknown Source) ... 6 more

Can someone help me?

Thank you very much.

 
May 13, 2008
Avatar Kraven 2 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

I tried using another snipe tool, and it worked fine. Is there a way of changing the timeout on jbidwatcher? It needs ages to log in with my browser and the other snipe tool (only with my account).

 
May 13, 2008
Avatar Kraven 2 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

I have the same problem. Jbidwatcher tells me: ‘Login failed. Read timed out.’ But it works fine with another eBay account.

I got 7729 copies of an alert from eBay last month. They told me in the alert that I bought something from a fraudster and they cancelled the auction. In answer ro my question they told me afterwards the huge amount of alerts is a common system error, and they’re working on it. I need ages to login with my browser now, and Jbidwatcher stopped working as well :(

 
May 4, 2008
Avatar journeywoman 10 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Hi. Love this program and miss it! Any help appreciated. Not logging in – error message ‘login failed, connect timed out’. Jbid works on other computers. Running Vista – firewall, etc. off. Using AVG, with Jbid allowed.

Windows error list:
Sun May 04 14:29:33 EDT 2008: ebay: Error, can’t accurately set delta to server’s official time.
Sun May 04 14:29:34 EDT 2008: Couldn’t sign in!
connect timed out at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$6.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getChainedE…(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source) at com.jbidwatcher.util.http.Http.receiveData(Http.java:161) at com.jbidwatcher.util.http.Http.receivePage(Http.java:185) at com.jbidwatcher.auction.server.ebay.ebayLoginManager.getSignInCookie(ebayLoginManager.java:187) at com.jbidwatcher.auction.server.ebay.ebayLoginManager.getSignInCookie(ebayLoginManager.java:160) at com.jbidwatcher.auction.server.ebay.ebayLoginManager.getNecessaryCookie(ebayLoginManager.java:171) at com.jbidwatcher.auction.server.ebay.ebayServer.messageAction(ebayServer.java:381) at com.jbidwatcher.util.queue.PlainMessageQueue.run(PlainMessageQueue.java:55) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: connect timed out at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.doConnect(Unknown Source) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(Unknown Source) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.connect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.NetworkClient.doConnect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.<init>(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getNewHttpC…(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.plainConnect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.connect(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getHeaderFi…(Unknown Source) at com.jbidwatcher.util.http.CookieJar.handleRedirect(CookieJar.java:164) at com.jbidwatcher.util.http.CookieJar.getAllCookiesFromPage(CookieJar.java:146) at com.jbidwatcher.util.http.CookieJar.getAllCookiesFromPage(CookieJar.java:126) at com.jbidwatcher.auction.server.ebay.ebayLoginManager.getSignInCookie(ebayLoginManager.java:185) ... 5 more
Sun May 04 14:29:34 EDT 2008: Done getting the sign in cookie.

 
Apr 30, 2008
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Greetings,
Hrm; what version of Java are you running?

Is that the entirety of the tooltip text?

Take a look at your JBidwatcher directory (varies depending on the OS (1)) for a recent log file, and attach that to a bug report at: http://jbidwatcher.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8…

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

(1)
~/.jbidwatcher on Linux
C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\.jbidwatcher on Windows
/Users/{username}/Library/Preferences/JBidwatcher on Mac OS X

 
Apr 30, 2008
Avatar sfx 1 post

Topic: Not Logging In..

I experience login problems now after I downloaded and started the new beta version. Version 1… ran smoothly.
It says: Done getting the sign in cookie.
Then it says: not yet logged in.
On hovering over the ‘not logged in’ status, it says ‘invalid argument: connect’.

I have already disabled my firewall and deleted all cookies. Also I have logged into ebay manually and did not come across a captcha.

Any help welcome!

Kind regards

 
Nov 22, 2007
Avatar Ron 7 post(s)

Topic: eBay is sabotaging us.

I too have had no problem logging in. I bid on & won an auction last night. Great Program!

Ron

 
Nov 21, 2007
Avatar krs99 91 post(s)

Topic: eBay is sabotaging us.

Which ebay are you looking at?

I just signed into ebay.com – same as always. Just the user ID and password.

 
Nov 5, 2007
Avatar Darrell 12 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

I saw the advertising again yesterday Nov. 3, 2007. It was for yet another eBay product/feature (nuisance). It only seems to pop up and cause problems when I am sniping something I really, really, want and would have been the only bidder. Then the sniping doesn’t connect. A minute later I find that ad when I sign in manually. Naturally nobody knows when the sniping failed when I happen to be away from the computer for about 8 hours One item did sell, off the Internet and the seller pulled the item (wouldn’t you know that I was the high bidder with no reserve on a video card that retails for $100+ and my bid was around $10).

Winning bids on eBay and trying to get an item at bargain basement prices is like trying to buy toy robots at flea markets for 50 cents. Doable but only once every couple of years. And the stupid thing is that many of those items go for50% to 100% more than the full retail price buying it directly from a regular Internet site.

 
Nov 1, 2007
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Greetings,

blink! Really? I haven’t seen that advertising page; that would be really annoying… :(

Actually, another common problem with firewalls is having the firewall set to allow HTTP access to ebay’s various sites, but not HTTPS access. Since JBidwatcher logs in using HTTPS (basically HTTP over a secure channel) this can cause problems.

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

 
Nov 1, 2007
Avatar Darrell 12 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Another thing that may be affecting login might be the advertising page. About once a week when I log in to myEbay I find some sort of advertisement on the eBay website and I have to press the “Continue on to MyEbay” button. Might this be affecting autologin in JBidWatcher?

 
Nov 1, 2007
Avatar Darrell 12 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Are you sure that you do not have a Firewall blocking access? If you are using Windows and it is using the default Windows Firewall you will not know what it is doing and it does not usually give you control of Internet access or program access. I always recommend that people switch to ZoneAlarm and then they can see what the Firewall is doing on both Internet and program access. It is free (or you can PURCHASE the superdupper version. If you are using ZoneAlarm or another Firewall, you must shut off the Windows default one.

Also try shutting off your Firewall and Anti-virus program temporarily and see if that helps.

 
Oct 31, 2007
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Greetings,

They don’t turn it on for everybody; they turn it on when there’s an event which triggers their security system. This can be things like logging in from two different computers in a short time (like running JBidwatcher at home, and logging into the same account from work), and other things that we might not think of.

They used to only do it for password failures, so the only time users would get this was when they’d change their passwords on eBay, but not update JBidwatcher. It’d fail to log in a number of times, and eBay’s security monitoring would trip, and then even with the right password it just wouldn’t work for a few days.

If everyone was getting these, it’d be a lot louder in here. :)

My solution for the short term is going to be do a single login, once a day, for monitoring purposes, and each snipe or bid does their own login as usual.

We’ll see how that works…

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

 
Oct 31, 2007
Avatar teabag 8 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

ebay uses CAPTCHA?

Really?

Cos um, (hope I don’t jinx it now), but, I don’t get it. My jbidwatcher logs in ok, and I don’t get any CAPTCHA letters when I sign in manually on the webpage. Tried ebay.com and ebay.co.uk. No CAPTCHA.

ehh…?

 
Oct 29, 2007
Avatar TT 3 post(s)

Topic: eBay Security Monitoring Prevents Sniping

Hi Morgan,

thanks for your reply and the ifno it’s a CAPTCHA, not a Turing number.

What about JBW not logging in every single time a bid is scheduled, but simply
keeping logged in for twenty four hours.

As eBay is offering such a choice in their login screen it should be possible
for JBW, too — and should reduce the number of logins per day significantly.

Sincerely,

Therese

 
Oct 29, 2007
Avatar tigerlily 1 post

Topic: Not logged in ebay's increased security monitoring has been triggered, Jbidwatcher can not log in for a while

Hi,
I’ve just started experiencing the “not logged in ebay’s increased security monitoring has been triggered, Jbidwatcher can not log in for a while..” today. I’ve tried going into configure and re-entering my username and password, and restarting the computer, but nothing’s working. I’ve had no problems until today – all my previous watchlist are still in the program.
Hope to get this sorted soon :)
Regards,
Vienna

 
Oct 28, 2007
Avatar martin051 3 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Good Evening Morgan,

Thank you very much for your input also.
I get a JBidwatcher alert from the task tray icon shortly after startup informing me that I am not yet logged in and the application “window” indicates “Not logged in…” and if I float my curson over the “Not logged in…” I get no tool tip. I did at one stage of the evening that said something like “cgi.ebay.co.uk” (from memory)! The error log is still saying “Getting the sign in cookie.”
The reason I believe I am not logged in is that if I select “Get My eBay Items” nothing happens even though I have items in that “folder” on the eBay website.
Sorry I can’t be of any more help.

Many thanks

Martin

 
Oct 28, 2007
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: eBay Security Monitoring Prevents Sniping

Greetings,

This is called a ‘captcha’ (normally capitalized, but I’m too lazy this time). Unfortunately there is no workaround right now. :(

The way to handle this is to shut down JBidwatcher, log in through your browser normally, and browse around on the eBay site normally for a little while. Leave JBidwatcher down for a day or two, and then start it back up again, and it should be good.

eBay’s security monitoring goes away if everything’s been fine for a day or so, so that’s the only absolutely certain solution I know. I’m poking at ways to prompt the user when a captcha has been encountered, and other ways to reduce the number of times that JBidwatcher logs in, but in general they’re all ways to reduce the instance of captcha’s getting triggered on a given account, not ways to actually handle the captcha’s themselves.

For more FAQ info on this: http://www.jbidwatcher.com/help/faq.shtml#ans9

Hope that helps!

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

 
Oct 28, 2007
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Greetings,

The reasons you are having trouble could be many; the first thing I’d try is double-check your login information is correct in the eBay tab of the Configuration Manager in JBidwatcher (File | Configure). Once you’re sure it’s right, shut down and start up JBidwatcher again.

If JBidwatcher starts up with ‘Not logged in…’ and the normal warning about being unable to log in to eBay, then there should be some kind of message that says why it’s not being able to log in. For example, ‘Your sign in information is incorrect’, or something like that.

Hover your mouse cursor over the ‘Not logged in…’ message, and a toolbar should pop up with something in it explaining what’s gone wrong. If this doesn’t happen, then I’m not sure what’s happening, offhand.

If you can give me more information about what you’re seeing, specifically in the JBidwatcher application, I can try and figure out what’s going on. Are you seeing ‘Not logged in…’? If not, what is leading you to believe you’re not logged in…?

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

 
Oct 28, 2007
Avatar Morgan Schweers 1,073 post(s)

Topic: Not Logging In..

Greetings,

What TT is referring to is commonly known as a CAPTCHA which stands for Completely Automated Public Turing-test to tell Computers and Humans Apart.

The idea is to throw up some distorted numbers on a (usually) complex background, and require the user to type them in, in order to log in. It’s hard for programs to decode those complex images, so ‘bots’ (and programs like JBidwatcher) can’t log in. (Or, more accurately, they can’t password-hack by constantly trying sets of passwords against known usernames.)

Somehow a completely different set of people started calling the same thing a ‘Turing number’, which is inaccurate, since it doesn’t have to just be numbers. Both it and CAPTCHA’s ‘T’ are named after the brilliant mathematician Alan Turing. They are references to the Turing Test which is an attempt to answer how will we know a computer is conscious and can think. Actually CAPTCHA’s are a reverse Turing test, in that it’s the computer, testing us to see if the we are human.

All of that is fun and such, but it doesn’t answer your core question. To wit, ‘Why can’t I log in?’

I’ll address that in a separate post, as this has already gotten too long. :)

— Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!

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